What will a new battery mean for the Honda Civic Hybrid?

No more IMA lights?

Despite its more mild hybrid tendencies I’ve mostly been a fan of Honda’s hybrid cars. However, a number of battery-related problems in recent years have made me question Honda’s commitment to hybrids.

But, now that lithium will replace the sometimes shoddy NiMH battery packs in the upcoming 2012 Civic hybrid, it might be time to forgive and forget.

OK. For those now suffering or having suffered through Honda’s hybrid problems, there might never be forgiveness. Honda’s handling of some of the problems facing early Honda hybrid supporters has been appalling. Period.

Thinking forward, however, Honda is an important automaker and their hybrid vehicles have great meaning in the fuel economy debate. Consequently, some 2012 Honda Civic hybrid spyshots on InsideLine set up an obvious question: How much more fuel efficient will the new lithium-powered Civic hybrid be?

The spyshots show the new Civic hybrid being tested along with the Toyota Prius and the Honda Insight. Thus, its impossible not to wonder how close the new Civic hybrid will come to matching the fuel economy numbers of the Prius.

Without a larger battery pack, catching up to the Prius seems impossible. However, adding a larger battery pack, especially one made of lithium, also increases costs. Of course, no automaker made the kind of NiMH investment that did Toyota. So, maybe the cost difference between lithium and NiMH isn’t as extreme for Honda.

Anyway, greatly looking forward to the final Civic hybrid fuel economy numbers.

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Honda Uses Toshiba Lithium-Ion Batteries in Test Version of Electric Car

In China first....
Honda Motor Company is using lithium-ion batteries made by Toshiba Corp. in a test version of its electric car, expanding upon a supply agreement for electric scooters.

Honda’s joint venture with Kyoto-based GS Yuasa Corp. will supply lithium-ion batteries for its hybrid cars, including a plug-in vehicle, while Toshiba’s packs may be more suitable for all-electric cars, which require more power, Tomohiko Kawanabe, head of Honda’s research and development division, told reporters today in Saitama prefecture, north of Tokyo.

Japan’s second-largest carmaker unveiled the test versions of its electric car and plug-in hybrid today, joining Toyota Motor Corp. and Nissan Motor Co. in efforts to meet tighter government emissions rules. Honda has supply agreements with four battery makers, including Panasonic Corp. and its subsidiary Sanyo Electric Co., which make nickel-metal hydride packs for Honda’s current hybrid cars.

Honda’s electric car can go more than 160 kilometers (100 miles) on a single charge, farther than Nissan’s Leaf electric car, Tokyo-based Honda said today. The plug-in hybrid can run 25 kilometers on battery power before the gasoline engine kicks in, about the same as Toyota’s plug-in. The figures are based on Japanese highway testing methods.

Honda rose 1.6 percent to 3,285 yen as of 2:29 p.m. in Tokyo trading, extending its gain this year to 5.6 percent.

Nissan’s Leaf

The carmaker hasn’t decided whether it will use Toshiba’s batteries for mass production, Kawanabe said. Toshiba already makes lithium-ion batteries for Honda’s EV-neo electric scooter, which it started leasing to corporate customers this month.

The company is also seeking to sell batteries made by Blue Energy Co., the venture with GS Yuasa, to other carmakers to help lower costs, he said.

Nissan, Japan’s third-largest automaker, starts selling its lithium-ion battery-powered Leaf hatchback this month in Japan and the U.S. and will begin selling it in Europe next year. Chief Executive Officer Carlos Ghosn has estimated that electric cars may account for 10 percent of global auto sales by 2020.

Toyota plans to sell a short-distance pure electric car and a plug-in hybrid by 2012.

2012 Honda Civic hybrid switching to lithium

But can it really top the Prius in the city?

At one time Honda and hybrid cars fit well into the same sentence. Not these days. Whether its Civic hybrid owners fuming over IMA issues, automotive critics slamming Insight hybrid execution, or the purpose of a two-seat hybrid sports car that barely feels sporty at all, Honda hybrids aren’t really hot.

But Honda hopes to change that with the lithium-powered 2012 Civic hybrid.

Unfortunately, it’s hard to believe that Honda has found a cure to its hybrid woes.

Sure, the new Civic Hybrid upgrades its 1.3 liter engine to 1.5 liters while mating it to a new lithium-ion battery pack that is said to improve EV range from nothing to at least a little. Still, lithium is found in other hybrid powertrains – both full and mild – and simply coupling a lithium-ion battery pack with Honda’s IMA does not seem enough to challenge Prius fuel economy, particularly city fuel economy.

Of course, maybe Honda isn’t just switching to lithium, but also increasing the capacity of its battery pack. More important, maybe Honda has figured out how to somehow morph the IMA powertrain into a full hybrid powertrain.

At this time the details are still sketchy, and hopefully we learn a bit more at tomorrow’s LA Auto Show. Nevertheless, we’ve heard of Honda’s Prius-conquering plans in the past, and they’ve always fallen short. Ultimately, if this is just lithium instead of NiMH, Toyota has little to fear from the new Civic hybrid.

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Summary of Honda Announcements Regarding New Advanced Environmental Technologies

Battery-electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles will be introduced in the U.S. in 2012; Demonstration program of the technologies will begin in 2010.
07/20/2010 - TORRANCE, Calif. -
Honda will introduce new advanced environmental technology vehicles, including a battery-electric vehicle and a new plug-in hybrid vehicle, to the U.S. market in 2012, the company announced today in the mid-year address by Honda Motor Co., Ltd., President & CEO Takanobu Ito, in Tokyo, Japan. Ito also announced application of a lithium-ion battery in the next-generation Civic Hybrid in 2011.

The announcement outlined Honda's commitment to developing advanced environmental technologies for application across all of Honda's global operations. Highlights specifically related to the U.S. market include:

-By the end of 2010 and continuing through 2011, Honda will roll out a battery-electric vehicle demonstration program in the U.S. with participants, including: Stanford University, Google Inc. and the City of Torrance, Calif.

-The City of Torrance will receive a plug-in hybrid electric vehicle for evaluation by the end of 2010.

-A battery-electric commuter vehicle will be introduced in the U.S. market in 2012.

-A new plug-in hybrid system for mid-size to larger vehicles will be introduced in the U.S. market in 2012.

-Honda's first hybrid application of a lithium-ion battery will debut in the next- generation Civic Hybrid to be introduced in 2011. The lithium-ion battery was developed through the Honda and GS Yuasa joint-venture company, Blue Energy Co., Ltd.

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Honda Plans Lithium-Ion Civic to Narrow Toyota’s Lead

March 18 (Bloomberg) -- Honda Motor Co., Japan’s second- largest carmaker, plans to introduce lithium-ion battery-powered hybrid cars as it struggles to narrow Toyota Motor Corp.’s lead in sales of gasoline-electric cars.

Honda plans to use lithium-ion batteries in its Civic compact “within the next two to three years,” as well as in its Acura luxury cars and other models, Executive Vice President Koichi Kondo said in an interview.

Honda has failed to match Toyota’s success with hybrids, led by the top-selling Prius. Lithium-ion batteries can store as much as twice the energy of nickel-metal hydride batteries that currently power the Prius and Honda’s Civic, Insight and CR-Z hybrid models, said Takeshi Miyao, a supply-chain analyst for auto consultant Carnorama in Tokyo.

“Lithium will become a lot more prevalent,” Kondo said in a March 16 interview at the company’s headquarters in Tokyo. The lithium-ion batteries will be produced with Honda’s joint- venture partner, Kyoto-based GS Yuasa Corp., starting in the second half of this year, he said. The venture is 49 percent owned by Honda.

Honda fell 1.5 percent to close at 3,200 yen in Tokyo trading.

“With lithium-ion being used in upcoming electric cars, Honda may be switching to the new technology to compete,” said Mitsuru Kurokawa, an analyst at consulting company IHS Global Insight in Tokyo.

Insight Misses
Honda’s Insight hybrid fell short of the company’s global sales target of 200,000 units in the first year after its February 2009 debut. Deliveries totaled 143,015 as of last month.

Toyota’s third-generation Prius replaced the Insight as the best-selling car in Japan after its release last year. Toyota sold 27,008 Priuses in February, compared with Honda’s 3,517 Insight deliveries.

In the U.S., Toyota sold 7,968 Prius cars last month, compared with Honda’s 2,014 Insights. The hybrid version of the Civic sold 346 units. The larger Prius is more fuel-efficient than Honda’s hybrids, according to U.S. Environmental Protection Agency data.

Honda Chief Executive Officer Takanobu Ito said in July the carmaker is developing a new hybrid system to be installed in mid- to large-size vehicles. The company will also add a hybrid version of its Fit subcompact later this year.

Cost Savings
While similarly sized lithium-ion batteries may cost 30 percent more than nickel-metal hydride cells, carmakers may be able to find savings by using smaller packs because of their higher energy density, Miyao at Carnorama said.

Lithium-ion costs will also decline as technical advances are made and production increases, according to research company Fuji Keizai Group.

Nissan Motor Co. will roll out its first lithium-ion battery-powered car, the Leaf, this year in Japan, the U.S. and Europe. Chief Executive Officer Carlos Ghosn predicts electric vehicles will account for 10 percent of global car sales by 2020.

Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd.’s Subaru unit and Mitsubishi Motors Corp. introduced electric vehicles last year. Mitsubishi will start delivering its 4.6 million yen ($51,000) i-MiEV to retail customers next month.

Toyota plans to begin retail sales of a lithium-ion powered plug-in Prius in two years. The company will also start selling a short-distance all-electric car in 2012.

Separately, Honda’s Kondo said he expects overall vehicle demand in the U.S. to rise to between 11 million and 12 million units this year from 10.4 million in 2009. That’s still lower than the 13.2 million sold in 2008.

Honda’s U.S. sales in the first 10 days of March were up almost 20 percent from a year earlier, Kondo said. For the full month, sales will likely exceed the 13 percent growth posted in February, he said.

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http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-03-18/honda-plans-lithium-ion-civic-to-narrow-toyota-s-lead-update1-.html

Q&A: Honda Lithium Battery, GS Yuasa Form Battery JV

Here's an interesting look at the behind the scenes of Honda....
Honda Motor Co Ltd and GS Yuasa Corp reached a basic agreement on the establishment of their joint venture for the Li-ion secondary battery business Dec 17, 2008.

"We know that, under the current bleak circumstances, the key to survival is to further accelerate the development of advanced environmental technologies and offer them as attractive products to our customers," said Honda President Takeo Fukui at the press conference.

To diffuse hybrid cars, "the most suited solution" at the moment, it is important to evolve Li-ion secondary batteries, he said. And he explained why Honda is forming a new company with GS Yuasa, describing GS Yuasa as a company that has "high levels of Li-ion secondary battery technologies and expertise in battery materials and many other areas." He also emphasized the fact that GS Yuasa's Li-ion secondary battery is used in Honda's two-legged robot "ASIMO."

Major questions and answers were as follows.

Q: When and on what scale are you planning to manufacture a new Li-ion secondary battery? How much will the initial investment be? From which model are you considering introducing the new battery?

Also, there is a sense that Honda lags behind Toyota Motor Corp and Nissan Motor Co Ltd, which have already established joint ventures, with Toyota establishing "Panasonic EV Energy Co Ltd" with Panasonic Corp and Nissan setting up "Automotive Energy Supply Corp" with NEC Corp. Will this be a handicap for Honda?

Fukui: Honda is planning to provide half the joint venture's capital of ¥15 billion (approx US$168 million). It's difficult to specify when and from which vehicle we are starting to use the new battery now, as our "Insight" (to be released in spring 2009) will employ a nickel-hydride secondary battery. However, we will strive to do that as soon as possible and I believe we will never fall behind our rivals.

Q: Since when have you been considering establishing the new company? Honda has been purchasing components from various companies so far. Are you going to change that strategy? Also, are you planning to apply the battery to fuel cell vehicles and other green cars?

Fukui: Honda has been discussing diverse plans over the past few years. Our relationship with GS Yuasa involved Li-ion secondary batteries several years ago. Our latest "ASIMO" uses GS Yuasa's Li-ion secondary battery as well. To go back even further, we developed normal batteries for motorcycles together. Our relationship has a long history.

I think we started discussing specific things about the joint venture about a year ago. We happened to make the announcement at this timing, but we were not expecting an economic turmoil like this. We would have announced the plan at about the same time even if it had not been for the economic fluctuation, I believe.

As for future prospects, we are first aiming to develop a battery exclusively targeted at Honda's "IMA (Integrated Motor Assist)" hybrid system in a short period of time. After that, we will discuss and determine the next steps with GS Yuasa.

By the way, Honda will continue to purchase nickel-hydride secondary batteries from Sanyo Electric Co Ltd and Panasonic.

Basically, the new company will aim to become the world's top manufacturer in terms of product competitiveness, of course. But Honda will remain to be a purchaser. We must make purchasing decisions by properly evaluating products in terms of Q (quality), C (cost) and D (delivery). It will be the best if Honda decides to employ all the components (Li-ion secondary batteries) that the new company produces as a result of this evaluation.

Q: Honda has insisted on waiting to partner with a certain company until it gets a better perspective for the future, based on the belief that it had better procure batteries, whose technologies are still immature, from multiple manufacturers. So, now you have a technological prospect?

Fukui: Generally speaking, batteries still have considerable room for growth. And I suppose it is possible that various new concept batteries will be proposed in the future. We are also holding high hopes for them. Nevertheless, lithium batteries are the most realistic solution at this point. And we judged the fastest way to meet our goal is that battery and automobile manufacturers join hands to develop them.

Q: GS Yuasa already established its joint venture "Lithium Energy Japan" with Mitsubishi Motors Corp and Mitsubishi Corp. How will you separate the development between that company and the joint venture you are forming with Honda?

GS Yuasa's President Makoto Yoda: The new joint venture with Honda will start as a company to research, develop, manufacture and sell Li-ion secondary batteries for use in hybrid cars. Meanwhile, Lithium Energy Japan develops Li-ion secondary batteries for electric vehicles (EVs). Those products are clearly different from each other.

We will, of course, strictly separate our teams for development, production and preparation for volume production on the side of GS Yuasa. However, on a medium-term basis, I believe we can expect synergy in various ways.

Q: How do you think about the strategy of partnering with multiple automakers? And you said GS Yuasa will strictly separate Li-ion secondary batteries for EVs and those for hybrids. But what are the difference between them?

Yoda: Regardless of whether they are for EVs or hybrids, Li-ion secondary batteries are not the type of products that a battery manufacturer develops by itself and proposes to automakers saying, "Here you are." They are like "special order items." We tailor them in accordance with drive mode, specifications and many other conditions. In other words, they are products that we must discuss and develop with automakers from the design phase.

Therefore, it's natural for us to establish a new company that makes Li-ion secondary batteries for hybrids with Honda. Of course, we might find a different approach in the future. But under the current circumstances, we are sure developing Li-ion secondary batteries with Honda and Mitsubishi is the most natural approach for us.

As for the difference between Li-ion secondary batteries for EVs and those for hybrids, the former requires a large capacity because EVs have no power source other than batteries. The latter, on the other hand, does not need a large capacity because hybrids are powered by engines too.

However, batteries for hybrids charge and discharge extremely frequently: They output power when the car is accelerating and regenerate power when the car is decelerating. Therefore, batteries for hybrids can have small capacity but must be efficient in charging and discharging. So, their development processes are quite different.

Q: Honda could have chosen to invest in GS Yuasa. Why did you choose to establish a joint venture?

Fukui: I don't see much point in investing in GS Yuasa. Also, as this joint venture is a battery company, I believe the best approach is that GS Yuasa, a battery manufacturer, holds the majority stake and Honda takes the minority.

Q: Did Panasonic's acquisition of Sanyo have any influence on the establishment of the new company?

Fukui: I found out about Panasonic's TOB (takeover bid) to acquire Sanyo in a newspaper. We had begun discussing our plans long before that. SO, we were not influenced by the news.

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Honda Boosts Hybrid Bet With Lithium Battery Venture

By Alan Ohnsman
Dec. 17 (Bloomberg) -- Honda Motor Co., a holdout as other large carmakers unveiled plans for plug-in, battery-powered models, increased its commitment to hybrid vehicles by announcing a joint venture to supply lithium-ion batteries.

The agreement with battery supplier GS Yuasa Corp. calls for making high-powered lithium packs for new gasoline-electric models, Honda said today in Tokyo. The business, with 15 billion yen ($171 million) of capital, will be 49 percent owned by Honda and 51 percent by its partner.

“In the short term, we believe one of the easiest ways to reduce CO2 is to expand hybrid technology to midsize and larger cars,” David Iida, a Honda spokesman, said in an interview from the company’s U.S. headquarters in Torrance, California. “These will be batteries that produce the high power needed for hybrids,” not energy density needed for plug-in vehicles.

Honda, first to sell hybrids in the U.S. and lease hydrogen fuel-cell cars to drivers, hasn’t yet offered lithium-ion packs in its hybrid models, citing cost and durability problems.

Toyota Motor Corp. plans to test lithium-ion plug-in Priuses in the U.S. next year and General Motors Corp. aims to sell rechargeable Volt sedans by 2010, when Nissan Motor Co. expects to introduce electric cars that can travel 100 miles (160 kilometers) per charge.

Setting up the battery venture is tied to Honda’s decision to delay its so-called clean diesel autos, said Paul Lacy, an analyst at IHS Global Insight in Troy, Michigan. Honda indefinitely suspended plans to sell fuel-efficient, low-emission diesel cars, originally planned for 2009.

Diesel-Gasoline Gap

“These things are not unrelated,” Lacy said. “The gap between diesel prices and regular gasoline has grown, and from a unit price standpoint, the cost of equipment needed to clean up diesel exhaust isn’t cheap.”

By comparison, offering more hybrid models, as Tokyo-based Honda said it will do, and boosting production of batteries may bring the cost of hybrid parts down faster than can occur with diesel systems, Lacy said.

“As you grow in volume with hybrids, you get economies of scale that reduce prices,” he said. “With diesel it’s not that simple.”

Lithium-ion batteries are lighter and hold as much as twice the energy compared with nickel-metal-hydride models now used in Honda and Toyota hybrids. Producing large lithium-ion cells for autos is also more difficult and costly, and such batteries have been less durable in tests, automakers and analysts have said.

Honda announced the battery project after President Takeo Fukui earlier cut the company’s full-year profit forecast by 62 percent, citing a surging yen and falling sales in North America and Europe.

Honda, Mitsubishi Supplier

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